Ultimately Off-Topic

I'm pretty sure it's just more BS media to promote another relaunch. I seriously doubt they'll end the MU, although I hope they do. Because despite Marvel's decision to focus more on 616, it's as familiar and as stagnant as it's ever been. They're always saying they're going to change things up, but they never do. They keep saying something will change forever, but it never does. They say someone's dead, but they aren't. They say what it means to be a hero, even though you hardly see anyone saving the public anymore. They talk about a hero's sacrifice, when there is no sacrifice. They speak of devastating threats which in fact never even succeeds in accomplishing anything, and we're supposed to try and work out what's so threatening about them. They have characters turning bad and good all the time like they have schizophrenia and the scientist characters refuse to look at issues scientifically. It's just broken promises month after month.

These problems taint all the really, really good stuff too. Bringing in characters like Silk and Miles Morales is cool and interesting, but what about all the other heroes that are never used? Can't we just send all of them to fight battles sometimes and give the Avengers and X-Men a night off? I'm surprised the Earth hasn't become a huge superpowered warzone. I like these comics. I just wish they weren't so trivial all the time.

Marvel are not confident in changing anything at the moment. Modern Marvel character development is always very temporary, disallowing the creators to really push forward with a character so we can really enjoy seeing them change and develop over the course of many years. You take any other series as an example, a TV series or an Indy comic book series, and the characters from the series debut are always completely different by the time we get to the big finale. And that never fails to amaze and surprise audiences/readers. Sometimes, the characters have changed so much and have done so many questionable things that they can't ever go back, and that's fun and engaging, and makes our commitment all the more worth while.. but the Marvel executives don't want that. Fans like to follow characters develop and we like seeing them slowly be shaped by their environment.. but with Marvel characters this is oddly never the case. And even though they have such an abundance of characters, they're too afraid to kill anyone off. Why can't anyone die? It makes all these battles and wars seem pointless and completely unnecessary. The Marvel executives need to be more bold and MAKE us care about what changes are afoot.

If they can engage fans through manipulating and lying to them through the media, I'm sure they'd be even more successful if they actually did what they said they're going to do.

If I could sum it all up into one sentence I'd say: Indy comics are infinitely superior.

I wish fans would speak with their wallets more so their keyboards. It's embarrassing how easily conned comic book readers are. The MU isn't ending. We've got to get through at least another five more years of the executives saying it might be happening, before it actually happens.

This reboot is probably just bringing in fan-favourite characters from other universes to make their new MU relaunch feel more significant. These MU relaunch's are practically annual events now. They'll probably do something a little more confident next year.

I haven't read all of it yet either. I stopped following Spider-Verse a little while back because I was struggling with the chronological order. What I read was really good though. 2099, Spider-Gwen and MC2 stuff, I love it. I just wish I wasn't missing so much of it. I feel like I have most of the main stuff but I'm missing a lot of the tie-ins which is really annoying because I want the whole story. There's a HC coming out in May so I'm probably going to wait for that instead but I'm not even sure if the first six issues of the run are included in the HC.

I've been following Spider-verse on comixology also. The checklist in the back is a guide but not perfect. For example if you read Scarlet Spiders before ASM this last week then it would make more sense, but on the checklist ASM is listed before it. I'm definitely not a Spidey guy normally but this has been a good little event.

I didn't read it. I'm glad you enjoyed it. And I'm glad he saved innocents. I would like to see more of that from the heroes because even though it's cool to see good characters do bad things and even though moral ambiguity is awesome and one of, if not the most exciting thing about character development in my opinion, I think Marvel really need to make more distinguishing traits for the heroes by having them save lives and achieve moral accomplishments, because otherwise, I don't see the point in calling the "heroes" the heroes if they're not being heroes. It's really good that Wolverine was portrayed as a full-on hero before his death. It's not often you see that nowadays. But there wasn't any sacrifice. He's just taking a break. All it is, is a reprieve or an afterlife vacation. I know that's probably not how it was told, but that's clearly how it is. If Wolverine died to save a few innocents, that's great, but it's no different than if you were to sacrifice yourself to save your family only for you to be resurrected shortly after, that wouldn't be a sacrifice because you'd just be making the decision for all of you to be alive, even if you have to stay asleep underground or whatever for a couple years. It's a no-brainer. If you were to do that and then come back to life, there'd be no sacrifice. If anything, Wolverine has gained a break from all the fighting. That's not what a sacrifice is. If he stays dead, that's a sacrifice. But if he's resurrected, that sacrifice is cancelled out. I've heard a lot of people say he made the ultimate sacrifice when in actual fact he gained a rest.

But my main gripe is from the other characters. Why are they upset about Wolverine dying? Surely, SURELY, they must know by now that he'll be back in a couple months (MC time). Surely they must understand that by now? That's how it works. The heroes can't be killed off, and if they are it's only temporary. Characters can't even kill themselves without being resurrected afterwards. In fact, surprisingly, the only thing they need to worry about is cancer.

It's not like the villains are any threat to them either. They needn't care about what the villains are trying to achieve, because the villains never achieve anything.

I think one character should say something like "Logan won't stay down forever." Or "Not even Heaven will amuse Logan for that long." I think it would be great to have one or two cynical characters who observe events in pragmatic ways.

I know I say this a lot but various characters should always respond differently to different things, depending on their background.

I think it would be wise for Marvel to kill off at least a few of their 20,000+ characters. Mantis would be good character to kill off in an heroic way. It would also be good to kill of at least one of their cosmic powerhouse planetary defenders, try to even the score a little bit for the bad guys so that MC Earth doesn't seem like by far the most powerful planet in all of existence. Or, why not allow the chaos to tip, and plunge the entire planet (that means not just America) into a massive cosmic brawl? That would not only be amazing fun, but seems like the next logical step for the MU. They could kill off a couple villains too. Perhaps Pink Pearl could die of heart disease.

There are so many great ideas waiting to happen. Marvel America, for a country that has strict immigration laws, definitely has a lot of superpowered folk running about doing whatever the hell they like. Perhaps a "Metahuman Immigration Act" could allow conflicts and superhero beat-downs to take place in more countries around the globe more often.

There's an abundance of non-utilised ideas to be made if the executives want to excite fans and change things up a little bit. Many of their marketing tactics are silly and are the antithesis of creative ideas. We deserve a lot, lot more than just a mix up of a cast of a superhero team every now and then. The same goes for characters always receiving superhero afterlife holidays.

It's like they're making fun of us just because we like reading comics. It' annoying. We're not children.

I'm not saying no one should be upset about it, I'd just like to see someone be aware of the constant resurrection after such a short time of death. I expect anyone would be upset about any character dying, even if they're not particularly close. But considering how often it happens, you'd expect more characters would think something was up.

In light of this as an example, do you think Scott Summers getting with Emma Frost is a wise move considering how often his dead wife keeps coming back to life?

According to the Holy Bible (the book of Christianity) people stay dead in the ground and do not become conscious until Armageddon happens on Earth.

One would wonder whether getting with Emma was considered cheating. Lol. It certainly wouldn't be a stretch to say Scott's waiting for Jean to come back to life again, considering how a lot of the readers are also waiting/hoping.

What I think is inappropriate is how more than 99% of the characters aren't allowed to die in peace, for good, despite the bloodthirsty agendas of even the heroes sometimes. The Avengers and the X-Men even had an all-out war with one another, except it wasn't a war at all. No one died. I don't think even toddlers and small children would perceive that as a war. In fact, more people die in a console war (Black Friday X-Box vs Playstation) than a fictional story of an actual physical war involving powerful deities threatening to kill each other! War should be absolutely intense. Deaths are practically the epitome of one. And yet despite Marvel claiming to have written superpowered war stories, they've never ever actually been confident to do one.

On the thread-page before this one, I quickly went through all of Marvel's constant contradictions, false claims and broken promises in which Marvel practically operate solely on. And those problems have overtaken the entire publisher agenda. It's as though the executives are only talking about how to lie to the public to get them to buy their books. Do they think that's clever? Or are they only interested in sales? It's boggles my mind the decisions they always make. They've always been capable of telling good stories with their characters, and the universe is always positively bursting with heaps of potential and lots and lots of writers within the comic book industry have written great stories within the incredibly universe, but every single executive decision is so freaking shit (forgive my language), stagnant and counterproductive that it's darn right blasphemous to everything that is fiction. The executives completely trivialise their own stories with their decisions. Am I wrong about that?

The writers are good, it's the executive decisions that taint and trivialise the stories they're trying to tell. No can die a true heroic death because the outcome will always regress. They don't push forward like they should. If Marvel are thinking of dramatically altering the line like their press coverage constantly repeats, then perhaps they should have the balls to do an actual Marvel war like they say they will.

I don't see the point in doing something that's only used as a sales pitch before the concept is cancelled out via a resurrection. Character resurrections should be ALMOST impossible. The UU wasn't wise, bold or clever to do that, killing off Peter Parker and meaning it really means something and it doesn't take a genius to work out why. It was the same for Ultimate Peter Parker in DoSM but much, much more so. It was beautiful. It made people cry. It wasn't tainted or trivialised in any way. It was powerful because Marvel meant it. They meant to kill him off for good. My favourite ever Spider-Man too!!!!! When Marvel make a decision to do something - it doesn't matter what it is - they should mean it.

But yeah, Marvel say they're gona give us a war but they don't. I've seen more violent pub brawls.

Marvel could learn a lot from Image. I hear Invincible could very well become it's own proper massive superhero universe someday. I still like Marvel, but they're fictional universe is now primitive by design.

I guarantee 616 win. I don't think they've ever lost an event.

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Arron Taylor Johnson on his role as Quicksilver.
I like this guy already.

Where is everyone? Just seems like Munch and I.

I can't wait to play it. I might even do a lets play.

For me I'm getting Story of Seasons, Witcher 3, Mortal Kombat X, and Until Dawn.

How did that go? Also what news?