Ultimately Off-Topic

I spent an entire summer with Marvel Unlimited lol. I read a lot of comics. And I'm referring to one specific scene with MJ and Peter rather than all their history. And of course Jean has some amazing things and been a cool person, but again it's been specific moments I couldn't get over. Young Jean is fine though, I love the early X-Men stories.

For Jean, it was probably anything to do with her and Wolverine.

It would take some time to remember the book and the issue. I don't have Unlimited anymore to look.

I'm looking to see the issue in question.

Well I wouldn't go that far with MJ.

And Jean was always looking for a good excuse to make out with Wolverine. That lowers my respect for someone pretty instantly.

Then that's a good point, but Wolverine's popularity has grown a substantial amount over the years, so I don't see Marvel killing up permanently, but if I'm proven wrong I'll be happy.

You mean when Wolverine and Jean thought they were about to die in another mutant's subconscious so Logan grabbed Jean and kissed her because he wanted that to be his last moment?

Ultimatum says otherwise

Uncle Ben *troll face*

What hero would you like to see get a movie next? Let's make it interesting by going with ones who probably wouldn't get movies. I'll start with Ultimate Spider-Woman.

Which Nova though? Rider or someone else?

In the first Spider-Man movie, she was classic MJ, with all the nuances that so many nerds loved her for. Almost her entire portrayal in that film is practically about her interest in four different guys. Let's review here, Mary Jane, in Spiderman 1 was dating Flash. In the same movie, she goes on to date Harry and even cheats on him by kissing Spiderman. By the end of the movie, she has a thing for Peter. Now, she doesn't know that Peter is Spiderman, so in her mind, she's trying to: "get with" or "f**k" 4 different guys, depending on your opinion.

And in the first 150 issues of ASM, she flirts with nearly every guy she interacts with that's of similar age, or at least in every single 616 comic book I've read where she's featured (I read the first 150 issues on Marvel Unlimited). And I'm not a fan of her behaviour in any of it. She gets so much enjoyment from guys wrapped round her finger, "but did she have to, did she have to, did she have to let it lingerrrrrrrr." (Sorry, I couldn't help myself )

Before Gwen Stacy's death, MJ was portrayed as a typical mindless... "slut" for a lack of a better term. A "party girl" would perhaps be a better term. But even afterwards, she kept acting like a spoilt rich girl. She's kind of like the stereotypical archetype of a supermodel.

"Face it, Tiger. You just hit the jackpot."

Some people might more accurately call her a bit of a "bimbo". She was somewhat interested in Peter, but never made any effort to be with him. Of course, focusing on the romance in early Spider-Man comics is like banging your head against a wall.

...Which I strongly believe is part of the appeal of early Spider-Man comics. You had all these good looking girls, Betty, Gwen etc. but MJ was that street-smart, ambitious girl that couldn't be trusted, portrayed as that forbidden fruit, who was actually not so "forbidden" due to her fascination in the mysteriously sweet Peter Parker, which rather uniquely created massive sexual desire in her mind. A huge turn on for nerds everywhere.

Then there's the animated series of Spider-Man from the 90's, in which she's utterly manipulative and whore-ish with most of the tings she says like she's playing Peter Parker like a fool and a tool. And it's seriously amazing how profound her personality is portrayed in this way, but it's cool that the writers attempted to honour her original incarnation.

The looks she gives are the looks of a sexually starved teenager. One ting's for certain, you see any girl with the dopey, sex craved eyes of Mary-Jane and you just know she's not to be trusted. I don't trust her one bit.

She's NY's Mary-go-round. Get it?

She's trouble.

She started off as that stereotypical rich girl from the US (the sort you see in a lot of awful American teen dramas), she knew she was good looking and was fully aware of her power over the poor helpless guys she dated. In the classic mythos she is consistently portrayed as a silly, stuck up super model whom Peter had a massive crush on. Throughout the first run of ASM Stan wanted Gwen to be the only one for Peter, not MJ. I think that's why she was written as so somewhat immature. Of course, her personality has changed completely when it was decided that she was to be Spidey's premiere love interest. But "classic MJ" was still strongly apparent in other continuities like the animated series. I know she's been developed more genuinely since, but I just can't get her original portrayal out of my head. From the first 150 issues of Amazing Spider-Man, to The Animated Series and then to her movie counterpart, it's evident that in those stories she is without a doubt a manipulative slut, pardon my French. I know this has been my only exposure to her character, but other than the brilliant and adorable Ultimate MJ, she's left a bad taste in my mouth.

Mary-Jane has gone on to be written as a sweet, loving girlfriend in stories such as Spider-Man: Blue, Spider-Man Loves Mary-Jane, among many other stories, but then the writers even had the audacity to change continuity by making Gwen the slut who slept with Norman Osborn. Suffice to say, I was not a fan of these changes.




I agree but when I was eight years old, Blade was the dog's bollocks. I loved it so much. There was enough blood to re-float the Titanic. But even when tings got seriously bloody, it was never scary. Just awesome. Especially all those exploding injections towards the end of the movie. I don't think any new Blade film will be able to better the original.

"There are worse things out tonight than vampires." (Twirls his sword)
"Like what?"
(Sheaths sword)
"Like me."

I really like the stories of Blade 1 & 2. Sure, they're not perfect and you can fault them, but I'd rather not because I really enjoyed them and thought the films were genuinely good action horror movies overall.

I also just want to say, the intro scenes in each of the Blade films are so freaking badass. Especially in the first one in that club.

Definitely Richard Rider. He would probably be the most likely choice too, if there ever was a Nova movie.

That was the one I could find. I was in 10th grade I think when I read most of those comics. It took me awhile to even find that one, a bunch of reverse image searches and figuring out which X-Men issue it was. It's pretty well known Jean wanted Logan and me and unfaithfulness don't mix well.

And when I drop a subject, it means I'm done with it. I've spent too much time arguing with people over the Internet and offline and it never helps, so I just stop talking about whatever upsets me.