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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 9:26:29 GMT -6
As long as Miles Morales doesn't defeat evil Peter easily or Peter dies like a bitch but still somehow gives a "blessing speech" to Miles or any other bad cliché where Peter just drops by in a single story arc, i'm all open arms. Thats what i like about Spider-Men and the upcoming Spider-Verse. Miles becomes part of the Spider universe and becomes his own character, not this extension of Peter. Yeah I agree with you 100% I feel like doing the evil peter thing is a huge slap in the face to fans who have stuck with the UU for so long, and who have accepted Miles as the new Spider-Man. It kinda belabors the point. Plus, Miles has been living in Peter's shadow far too much, so it feels like the UU has been trying to have it both ways. Having Peter around kinda alleviates thats pressure and adds a new dramatic element. That way it can distinguish Miles and show he isnt just a replacement. It'd be nice having Peter in his social circle. But thats assuming it isn't the chameleon twins back to mess with people. Man, that would make a lot of sense. But thats so fucking mean, you know? I have a feeling you're right but a part of me really wants this to be Peter. Im gonna be a until we find out for sure. And I might come out of this bitter haha I feel like I want to believe that he is still dead but they showed that Norman Osbourne was alive so anything is possible now. Yeah with norman constantly coming back, there is no line anymore. I think it'd be so cool for Peter to become the scarlet spider. But i still can't shake the feeling that Bendis is still taking advantage of the hope some of us still unfortunately have.
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Post by Rok on May 6, 2014 9:53:19 GMT -6
A lot of people keep talking about the scorpion clone, but wasn't that somewhat deranged? I mean this dude the picture (peter or not), is clearly not half way insane.
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Post by Balfro on May 6, 2014 9:54:18 GMT -6
I wonder if this guy is one of the Fly Twins... They seem to talk douchey as well. What other twins do we know that talk douchey and have put on that face before? Ooh, it could be. That makes a lot of sense. I don't think the Scorpion clone has actually been hinted at by Bendis so the jury's still out. But the Chameleons in a Norman Osborn arc? I'm not sure how I feel about that. Another reason I think it's Chameleon is that he was scoping out the Parker home, a place he called home for several days. Now yes Peter might be carefully surveying the situation and decide how best to approach his family and let them know he's alive, but I think he's actually trying to find out the identity of the new Spider-Man in hopes that he can eliminate him and prevent him from interfering with his plans to sort of take Peter's life (again). And The Chameleon Twins in the same arc as Norman sort of makes sense actually; SHIELD no longer exists and is handing off their holding facilities to the government AND mutants are no longer illegal, so there's a chance that the twins were either pardoned and released or they break out in a similar fashion to how we all know Norman will as the facilities are being handed off. In fact, we've seen it before; Norman let other criminals escape in his previous escape attempts. Besides, the twins is a good way to help bring Jonah even closer to Mile's status quo because there is a past there between Peter, the twins and Jonah. Anyway, I'm just rambling now
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Post by Sage6Paths on May 6, 2014 9:58:55 GMT -6
Maybe this has something to do with the Spider-Men thing in the 616 that Slott is planing. I remember in an interview that he was planning on bring every Spider-Man iteration around even if they were dead. His cited that just because they were dead in one universe doesn't mean that he is dead in another. And considering that we just went through a shattering parallel universe quake, maybe Bendis is trying to tie this Peter into that event. How else is Miles going to get back to the 616?
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 10:02:17 GMT -6
Ooh, it could be. That makes a lot of sense. I don't think the Scorpion clone has actually been hinted at by Bendis so the jury's still out. But the Chameleons in a Norman Osborn arc? I'm not sure how I feel about that. Another reason I think it's Chameleon is that he was scoping out the Parker home, a place he called home for several days. Now yes Peter might be carefully surveying the situation and decide how best to approach his family and let them know he's alive, but I think he's actually trying to find out the identity of the new Spider-Man in hopes that he can eliminate him and prevent him from interfering with his plans to sort of take Peter's life (again). And The Chameleon Twins in the same arc as Norman sort of makes sense actually; SHIELD no longer exists and is handing off their holding facilities to the government AND mutants are no longer illegal, so there's a chance that the twins were either pardoned and released or they break out in a similar fashion to how we all know Norman will as the facilities are being handed off. In fact, we've seen it before; Norman let other criminals escape in his previous escape attempts. Besides, the twins is a good way to help bring Jonah even closer to Mile's status quo because there is a past there between Peter, the twins and Jonah. Anyway, I'm just rambling now Again, you're probably right. And that breaks my heart. I thought it could've been Peter checking up on his friends and family, making sure they're ok. But between the dialogue on the page, the previous chameleons, and now the fly twins.. it just seems to be too much evidence to the contrary. God its such an evil fake out. So I'm stifling my expectations so i don't come away from this angry. And if it is the twins, then it also raises another concern: Miles STILL facing Peter's adversaries! I want this kid to get out of Pete's shadow, and if this isn't actually peter or some version of him, then it bums me out that he's still not getting any new villains with staying power. It took Miles over a year to establish his own identity, and it took a time-skip of one year in-universe for me to finally accept the kid. But that last part is all on me.
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Post by Balfro on May 6, 2014 10:02:33 GMT -6
A lot of people keep talking about the scorpion clone, but wasn't that somewhat deranged? I mean this dude the picture (peter or not), is clearly not half way insane. That's why I don't think it's him. I always said that the Scorpion clone would be Bendis' way of bringing Peter back if he HAD to, but Bendis sort of subtly let the fans know that we shouldn't hold on to that theory because he introduced a completely NEW Scorpion. Also, this book has been renamed "Miles Morales: The Ultimate Spider-Man" once again letting fans know NOT to expect Peter back. So the fact that he's in the very first issue screams contradiction and raises red flags for us to know not to trust that he's the real deal. Now here's a theory or two: Roxxon perfects their Spider-Man and he goes by Scarlet Spider and swings in to be part of this whole mess involving Norman and 2 more Spider-Men. It would almost be poetic that Norman worked so hard to eliminate ONE Spider-Man and now he will be involved with THREE of them. OR Chamela becomes the Scarlet Spider since her brother is already Peter Parker. They probably start off as the Fly Twins and end up as Spider-Man and the Scarlet Spider later in the arc. Either way, Norman will have 3 Spider-People to deal with, even though two of them are frauds.
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 10:04:51 GMT -6
A lot of people keep talking about the scorpion clone, but wasn't that somewhat deranged? I mean this dude the picture (peter or not), is clearly not half way insane. He… seemed to be confused and operating on pure emotion. But either way, he's a plot thread thats been left hanging, and a lot can be done with him. But hey, who the heck knows! this panel we see is just gonna haunt us until the 2nd issue comes out and we get closer to an answer.
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Post by Sage6Paths on May 6, 2014 10:14:26 GMT -6
Ah I get it now. If it was Peter he would definitely want to check up on his family. But... he did! Last page of Ultimate Spider-Man #200. So it could be him.
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 10:19:53 GMT -6
Ah I get it now. If it was Peter he would definitely want to check up on his family. But... he did! Last page of Ultimate Spider-Man #200. So it could be him. YEP. Im just getting ready for painful fake out already haha
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 10:27:13 GMT -6
But that spider-verse idea is interesting too. I mean, Miles and 616 Peter have already met, so maybe this Peter is from an alternate ultimate universe? Granted, thats probably the least likely outcome haha but until its resolved we're gonna be guessing as much as possible.
And Balfro, you constantly kill my dreams with your well thought out theories. My heart is heavy, so i must get lunch and attempt to heal from all this traumatic What-iffery!
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Post by Mr_Monster_Munch on May 6, 2014 10:33:21 GMT -6
I'm very torn on whether I want the real Peter back or not. Half of me feels he shouldn't come back. The other half of me thinks it would be the best thing ever. I'm very much in favour of it being the Scorpion clone. I liked that Fury kept him incarcerated at the Triskelion and I have been eager to see him return. Hopefully we'll get some sort of flashback into what he's been up to these past two years. but I think he's actually trying to find out the identity of the new Spider-Man in hopes that he can eliminate him and prevent him from interfering with his plans to sort of take Peter's life (again). Yeah, this is my thinking too. I think that's why Peter asks for his stuff back the moment Miles sees him. I wouldn't say it's asshole territory but it certainly seems rather forward. Roxxon perfects their Spider-Man and he goes by Scarlet Spider and swings in to be part of this whole mess involving Norman and 2 more Spider-Men. It would almost be poetic that Norman worked so hard to eliminate ONE Spider-Man and now he will be involved with THREE of them. I would really enjoy reading that. Norman Osborn's return is going to be pretty sweet if his confusion and anger reach boiling point, seeing so many Spider-Men making him go berserk. I've enjoyed reading about Ultimate Norman Osborn, seeing him become more and more mentally deranged over the years. If this arc succeeds in continuing his madness even further, things could get very exciting.
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Post by Spiderx3000 on May 6, 2014 11:00:25 GMT -6
In excited, but skeptical. On the one hand if he's back then that's great, but at the same time it takes away the purpose of him dying in the first place, which was a definitive end for him, with him saving Aunt May because he couldn't save Uncle Ben. Also, I REALLY doubt it's Peter, but if he is back then it takes away the purpose of Spider-Men with 616 Peter coming to terms with his death in this universe. So, I'm pretty much conflicted ont his. If it were my choice, I wouldn't have brought Peter back in any way shape or form, whether it be as a clone, or a doppelgänger.
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Post by thecrimson on May 6, 2014 11:04:37 GMT -6
I think it's brilliant, but mostly because it's something I would have done. Cause I'm a jerk.
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 11:38:04 GMT -6
I think it's brilliant, but mostly because it's something I would have done. Cause I'm a jerk. Which part? Literally bringing Peter back or make it seem as if he's back and faking us out? Choose your words carefully… lol but another thing that came to mind.. Im not so sure the Fly twins would be the Chameleon twins. They can take the form of anyone they come into contact with, so why would they be wearing masks when they could just frame someone else again? Food for thought! And can't they only take the current form of someone they've been in contact with too? Are they able to age up their form? I can't see why not, but the logistics of their powers are still up for grabs. Boy am I going to be annoying for the next couple months hahaha
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Post by wyokid on May 6, 2014 11:53:08 GMT -6
I think it's brilliant, but mostly because it's something I would have done. Cause I'm a jerk. Boy am I going to be annoying for the next couple months hahaha How will we be able to tell?
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 12:09:45 GMT -6
Boy am I going to be annoying for the next couple months hahaha How will we be able to tell? … O__________o Zing (lol)
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Post by Balfro on May 6, 2014 12:16:56 GMT -6
But that spider-verse idea is interesting too. I mean, Miles and 616 Peter have already met, so maybe this Peter is from an alternate ultimate universe? Granted, thats probably the least likely outcome haha but until its resolved we're gonna be guessing as much as possible. And Balfro, you constantly kill my dreams with your well thought out theories. My heart is heavy, so i must get lunch and attempt to heal from all this traumatic What-iffery! Yeah but my track-record of correct theories is dangerously low so chances are I'm wrong again
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Post by thedarman on May 6, 2014 12:18:15 GMT -6
YES! YES! YYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
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Post by thecrimson on May 6, 2014 12:21:42 GMT -6
I think it's brilliant, but mostly because it's something I would have done. Cause I'm a jerk. Which part? Literally bringing Peter back or make it seem as if he's back and faking us out? Choose your words carefully… lol but another thing that came to mind.. Im not so sure the Fly twins would be the Chameleon twins. They can take the form of anyone they come into contact with, so why would they be wearing masks when they could just frame someone else again? Food for thought! And can't they only take the current form of someone they've been in contact with too? Are they able to age up their form? I can't see why not, but the logistics of their powers are still up for grabs. Boy am I going to be annoying for the next couple months hahaha The latter one.
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 12:24:33 GMT -6
But that spider-verse idea is interesting too. I mean, Miles and 616 Peter have already met, so maybe this Peter is from an alternate ultimate universe? Granted, thats probably the least likely outcome haha but until its resolved we're gonna be guessing as much as possible. And Balfro, you constantly kill my dreams with your well thought out theories. My heart is heavy, so i must get lunch and attempt to heal from all this traumatic What-iffery! Yeah but my track-record of correct theories is dangerously low so chances are I'm wrong again Fair enough haha it beats my roller coaster of emotions as I pull my hair out in suspense.
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Post by spiderham on May 6, 2014 12:48:24 GMT -6
I seriously think this is the Peter Parker we all love ... Or at least, I hope. ^^
I don't see why asking for a little help (maybe just getting his web-shooters or his web formula back) is acting like an a-hole. There is nothing evil in his eyes, I just see the cool guy we've been waiting for 3 years to come back. Is there a possibility for this arc, Revival, being a tease for a new ultimate book ? Something like Peter Parker : Ultimate Scarlet Spider ? That would be great !
But Balfro must be right. I feel exactly like Agemoi right now, I don't know if I should be happy or sad ^^'
Also, thank you so much guys for creating this forum, I've been reading you for years now and it was very disappointing to see the Ultimate Forum was gone.
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Post by Agemoi on May 6, 2014 13:25:56 GMT -6
Haha gotcha! I seriously think this is the Peter Parker we all love ... Or at least, I hope. ^^ I don't see why asking for a little help (maybe just getting his web-shooters or his web formula back) is acting like an a-hole. There is nothing evil in his eyes, I just see the cool guy we've been waiting for 3 years to come back. Is there a possibility for this arc, Revival, being a tease for a new ultimate book ? Something like Peter Parker : Ultimate Scarlet Spider ? That would be great ! But Balfro must be right. I feel exactly like Agemoi right now, I don't know if I should be happy or sad ^^' Also, thank you so much guys for creating this forum, I've been reading you for years now and it was very disappointing to see the Ultimate Forum was gone. hahaha its a roller coaster of emotions dude! I got overly excited and had to set my expectations back down. But hey it IS nice that we have an Ultimate nook to discuss this stuff in a cleaner manner than what CBR ended up offering
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Post by thecrimson on May 6, 2014 13:28:35 GMT -6
I'm just really excited for whatever story we have to look forward to.
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Post by Sir Doctor on May 6, 2014 13:39:14 GMT -6
I'm completely expecting this to be a clone fake out but I can't help but hold out a little hope that it's the real Peter.
If it is the real Peter then I really do hope him and Miles can co-exist, I've really enjoyed Miles as a character and there's still a lot of his story left to tell and I worry that bringing Peter back would overshadow him in a big way.
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Post by spiderham on May 6, 2014 13:48:04 GMT -6
You're right Crimson, that's a great way to launch this new era of USM ! Even if Bendis is playing with us, I'm really happy to see Peter being a young adult. 2014 is definitly a good year for all Spider-Fans
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Post by spiderham on May 6, 2014 13:50:54 GMT -6
I worry that bringing Peter back would overshadow him in a big way. Dead or alive, I think Miles still lives in PP's shadow :/ Peter has always been the heart of the UU, like Bendis and MJ said in the Hobgoblin arc "Everything is special about Peter Parker"
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Post by razvan on May 6, 2014 14:12:43 GMT -6
Sorry to be the one crashing your hopes, but somebody has to do it.
Peter won't come back. Why? Because it's not the first time Bendis would pull such an anti-climatic event. Anyone remembers that infamous USM #100 where Peter's dad was said to be alive? A couple issues later it was revealed to be a clone. Remember when Gwen returned? Not really, it was Carnage. Or the issue during Ultimatum were Peter was "killed" by Dr. Strange? ...well not. And the list goes on and on.
Second, there's no need for Peter. The vast majority of Parker fans are long gone from the UU. Miles is doing pretty well by himself, he's the main attraction of the Ultimate Universe; So why bring Peter/Norman now? For shock value and a strong start for the series.
Then there's all the "NO!" answers regarding Ultimate PP coming back. At every ComicCon there's a fan asking about him, and everytime the answer is "He's not coming back". It even happened at C2E2, when Lowe said that in the upcoming Spider-Verse there's going to be EVERY Spider-man, except for symbiotes and Ultimate PP ("because he's staying dead", I must add). You never get a straight answer from them unless they mean it, usually it's something across the line of "We'll see", "maybe", "I can't talk about this", etc.
And let's not forget about logic. Look at how Marvel marketed every big thing happening in it's comics for a while now. They told us Peter was going to die months before the end of DoSM. 616 Peter's return was announced way back, in March. Same goes for Ultimate Doom. Someone big dying in Cataclysm was foreshadowed a lot & the return of Ultimate Norman Osborn was first teased six months ago on Bendis's tumblr. Peter was arguably the most loved character in the UU, does it seem normal for Marvel to keep his return low-profile and lose the chance to cash-in on the ones who wait for him to come back only for sheer shock-value?
If we agree that it's not Peter, then who is it? My opinion is that this is some bad comic-book plot only Bendis could pull. And Loeb (may he answer in front of God for Ultimatum). Bringing Norman back only cheapens Peter's sacrifice and legacy.
Well, I do hope I'm wrong, as I want him back as much as the next guy; but I'm not gonna get my hopes crushed twice by a comic book.
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Post by thecrimson on May 6, 2014 14:20:53 GMT -6
Sorry to be the one crashing your hopes, but somebody has to do it. Peter won't come back. Why? Because it's not the first time Bendis would pull such an anti-climatic event. Anyone remembers that infamous USM #100 where Peter's dad was said to be alive? A couple issues later it was revealed to be a clone. Remember when Gwen returned? Not really, it was Carnage. Or the issue during Ultimatum were Peter was "killed" by Dr. Strange? ...well not. And the list goes on and on. Second, there's no need for Peter. The vast majority of Parker fans are long gone from the UU. Miles is doing pretty well by himself, he's the main attraction of the Ultimate Universe; So why bring Peter/Norman now? For shock value and a strong start for the series. Then there's all the "NO!" answers regarding Ultimate PP coming back. At every ComicCon there's a fan asking about him, and everytime the answer is "He's not coming back". It even happened at C2E2, when Lowe said that in the upcoming Spider-Verse there's going to be EVERY Spider-man, except for symbiotes and Ultimate PP ("because he's staying dead", I must add). You never get a straight answer from them unless they mean it, usually it's something across the line of "We'll see", "maybe", "I can't talk about this", etc. And let's not forget about logic. Look at how Marvel marketed every big thing happening in it's comics for a while now. They told us Peter was going to die months before the end of DoSM. 616 Peter's return was announced way back, in March. Same goes for Ultimate Doom. Someone big dying in Cataclysm was foreshadowed a lot & the return of Ultimate Norman Osborn was first teased six months ago on Bendis's tumblr. Peter was arguably the most loved character in the UU, does it seem normal for Marvel to keep his return low-profile and lose the chance to cash-in on the ones who wait for him to come back only for sheer shock-value? If we agree that it's not Peter, then who is it? My opinion is that this is some bad comic-book plot only Bendis could pull. And Loeb (may he answer in front of God for Ultimatum). Bringing Norman back only cheapens Peter's sacrifice and legacy. Well, I do hope I'm wrong, as I want him back as much as the next guy; but I'm not gonna get my hopes crushed twice by a comic book. I may be the only one here not really rejoicing he may be back or gnashing my teeth. I'm simply excited to see what is planned. So with respect to your opinion, I do not feel it will be a bad comic book plot.
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Post by Balfro on May 6, 2014 14:23:28 GMT -6
Even if this ends up not being the real Peter (which it most likely isn't) we all have to admit that this story arc seems to have immense potential so far, and it hasn't even started yet. Forget about us, the fans, for a moment and let's get into Miles' world. Here we have Norman Osborn, the man who managed to kill Peter Parker, return and face Miles. Miles will be more than a little intimidated, scared and enraged all at the same time. There will be a flow of emotions that Marquez' art will bring to life! Then we have "Peter" return from the grave, again playing with Miles' emotions. This is going to be one hell of a roller coaster ride for Miles and I have a feeling the action will be crazy as well. With Norman facing off against Miles, "Peter" getting involved and potentially introducing the Scarlet Spider. This won't be a one-dimensional story with Miles simply facing a villain, using his venom blast and winning. This has the potential to be deep and impactful like the Clone Saga, Ultimate Knights and several other classic Ultimate Spidey stories that involved several key-players. I've already dismissed this as being the real Peter Parker, and yet I couldn't be more excited for this arc. If only to see Green Goblin with a beard
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Post by Sage6Paths on May 6, 2014 14:26:33 GMT -6
Even if this ends up not being the real Peter (which it most likely isn't) we all have to admit that this story arc seems to have immense potential so far, and it hasn't even started yet. Forget about us, the fans, for a moment and let's get into Miles' world. Here we have Norman Osborn, the man who managed to kill Peter Parker, return and face Miles. Miles will be more than a little intimidated, scared and enraged all at the same time. There will be a flow of emotions that Marquez' art will bring to life! Then we have "Peter" return from the grave, again playing with Miles' emotions. This is going to be one hell of a roller coaster ride for Miles and I have a feeling the action will be crazy as well. With Norman facing off against Miles, "Peter" getting involved and potentially introducing the Scarlet Spider. This won't be a one-dimensional story with Miles simply facing a villain, using his venom blast and winning. This has the potential to be deep and impactful like the Clone Saga, Ultimate Knights and several other classic Ultimate Spidey stories that involved several key-players. I've already dismissed this as being the real Peter Parker, and yet I couldn't be more excited for this arc. If only to see Green Goblin with a beard Even if it isn't the real Peter I really want to see how MJ reacts. I wonder how she will respond to having a new boyfriend.
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